Bethany Ten ([info]broken__bird) wrote,
@ 2005-05-14 21:30:00
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yeah, so. beseeching miniscule friends list.

there's a scene in gensoumaden saiyuki volume two, pages forty-eight and forty-nine. the dialogue entails (and, yes, I am an avid connoisseur of tokyopop):

"goku was upset, you know. he really hates secrets."
"feh. nosy little punk. my business ain't on display here. got it?"
"that kind of talk can be upsetting."
"ah, it's just 'cuz he's a kid."
"I didn't mean goku. you're making me upset. if you feel that way, then consider me a child as well."

this is in regards to hakkai telling goku and sanzo about gojyo's past.

I don't particularly like that scene, personally. I feel that hakkai was far too cavalier about divulging information that was not "on display," whereas everyone else--especially hakkai--is permitted a certain degree of taciturnity regarding their own personal scars. I found it vaguely unsettling, if not outright insensitive.

"insensitive"? hakkai?

yeah, yeah. I know; I know.

I found that conversation difficult to interpret, or perhaps I was reading too deeply into it. perhaps not. what exactly was hakkai talking about when he said "if you feel that way"? to what "it" was gojyo referring to when he said "it's just 'cause he's a kid"?

personally, admittedly, there is a sort of cheap thrill in knowing more about someone than anyone else. cho hakkai, gossip. nice.

I just found it unsettling.

remember that I rarely, if ever, advocate scenes in which gojyo collapses in a sobbing, blubbering heap on hakkai's shoulder and tells him everything. I suppose, eventually, hakkai's curiosity (post-burial arc) would have been on a rapid, if steady, increase. that, too, brings up another set of questions: what if banri was the one who revealed gojyo's heritage to hakkai? perhaps not. perhaps it's just me being overappreciative of the no-eyebrows ex-boyfriend.

the thing is, if hakkai wished to find something out about gojyo, hakkai would be the sort to wish such knowledge from gojyo's own mouth.




re: overappreciative of the no-eyebrows ex-boyfriend.

I'm vaguely interested in performing brief character studies for banri.

firstly, I'd like to draw your attention to this particular page in the burial arc--a flashback at the beginning of the third chapter. there's something really rather terribly empty in gojyo's eyes (kudos to minekura), isn't there? dead and cold and flat, existing, not living, meaningless steps and unfeeling punches, scuffs under his eyes. he looks cold. he needs a huggle.

sounds odd, I know, but around the time that he drags gonou in, gojyo is not that same, empty person. he's outwardly confident, no longer a stranger to emotions, familiar with physical warmth but not so familiar with emotional warmth. at least he smiles, right? he's charming and interpersonal, knows which buttons to push, laughs at himself halfheartedly in the mirror where he might once have shattered the surface containing his reflection. life is so easy it makes him wanna puke. he might consider himself lower than dirt, but he's confident in his ability to survive and to do whatever he needs to do.

as odd as it sounds, I think banri is at least 30% responsible for the man gojyo is today, vices and all.

as odd as it sounds...

...oh, hell. I'll get this down in prose form someday.



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[info]permetaform
2005-05-15 05:55 am UTC (link)
heee! yes!

and wait a bit, I'll unlock my ramblings for the 58 pairing, as I'm assuming this is for the ship_manifesto?

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[info]broken__bird
2005-05-15 06:08 am UTC (link)
yes, in a way! :) this is just a bit of analysis that will be much worded much better in the ship_manifesto; I was just getting marginally rambly here, hee.

-beth

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[info]permetaform
2005-05-15 06:15 am UTC (link)
which email should I send the link to?

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[info]broken__bird
2005-05-15 06:35 am UTC (link)
ironjupiturne [@] gmail [.] com

[in the process of saying prayers to the merciful goddess so se will permit me to accurately represent the otp] XD

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[info]devikun
2005-05-15 06:51 am UTC (link)
(ah? Sorry? Maybe I should have emailed that waffle below? You can delete if you want...)

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[info]broken__bird
2005-05-15 06:54 am UTC (link)
no, it's alright, of course! ^_^ the post itself is a thread, so responses are, of course, welcome. [info]permetaform is assisting me in bits for the 85 essay over at [info]ship_manifesto.

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[info]devikun
2005-05-15 06:50 am UTC (link)
omg get outta my hed!

;)

Funny, I've been thinking along similiar lines myself for a while now. Hope you don't mind me sharing my brain contents...? ^^;;


Actually I always thought Hakkai wasn't talking about the secret per se, so much as the fact that Gojyo acted like his scars/pain was no one else's business. Hakkai obviously felt it was very much his business and was angry at him for trying to cope on his own when he had one three perfectly good friends right there to support him. So he told them because he knew Gojyo wouldn't. Having people knowing about what's inside you makes it harder for you to hide and easier for them to read you when you are.

re: overappreciative of the no-eyebrows ex-boyfriend.
Reakon Gojyo at least picked up some survival mechanisms when he started hanging out with Ban. Before they met, possibly all Gojyo did was brawl (from what is shown in Burial), and maybe work labour, since no one would in their right mind would play cards with a guy that looked that angry at the world, let alone try and win against him. So credit Ban with teaching a young punk how to be a young con, maybe?

But I'm not sure I can credit him with being the guy Gojyo spilled his guts to (so to speak), since Gojyo sort of talks about and reacts to Banri like he's a distraction. When Ban's around, Gojyo doesn't have to think, just have fun and get into trouble and live recklessly and not give a damn and maybe if he does, this annoying question of living or not living will be taken out of his hands.

And when Ban's out of the picture, maybe Gojyo was so into his routine that it just kept going. "Life is so easy, it makes me sick", to me means he's in a slipstream and nothing's touching him, which is something like what he wanted maybe except he's (part) human and humans need touch and he's too used to it being nothing but pain anyway and hey look! There's someone doing a better job at killing himself than I am! He'll probably die, and shit's never going to change but I'm feeling contrary today so I think I'll do something starkly un-like me and save his stupid ass...

eh-he-he. Well anyway. I don't think it sounds odd. In fact, I suspect you nailed it. Banri, for what little page time he did get, wasn't a completely irredemable character. Sure, he was a crook and a bastard, but then so's half our ikkou. Maybe the possessiveness he demonstrated in those bitchy remarks about Hakkai wasn't out of the ordinary? He was almost playing big brother, watching out for G and disapproving of his snotty friends, and I reakon to Gojyo that would have meant 'love', since Ban was the only big brother that ever stuck around for long enough...

eep! I've taken up enough of your commenting space! A thousand apologies!

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[info]wildelamassu
2005-05-15 08:18 am UTC (link)
I agree with your take on the scene in the clearing--I think Hakkai was interfering because Gojyo was once again refusing to rely on others emotionally (see abandonment: Mother, Jien, Banri, etc.), when it's absolutely necessary that he do so for his own good and that of the group as a whole.

I think it's also because Gojyo was the only one whose pain wasn't constantly on display, despite the obvious halfbreed hair. Think about it: Sanzo's past, as compounded in the missing sutra, is the clear reason for their journey, and everyone recognizes him as the dead Koumyou's heir; Goku's imprisonment is a void that belies his age at every action; and nobody can spend more than ten minutes around smily!Hakkai without getting trauma vibes (not to mention the fact that his tragedy was what originally brought the group together). Gojyo's abandonment scars are hidden under his well-adjusted, I-don't-need-your-help veneer, just as in the physical metaphor Minekura uses with the covering hair.

RE: Banri, to use a terribly overwrought analogy, it's similar to the Hegelian concept of the blossom and the bud: no single stage determines the "truth" of the flower, yet all are necessary to its totality. With Minekura, it's all a continuum, as we have ample proof. *g*

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